14 thoughts on “The Blot On Horner’s Candidacy

  1. PM says:

    do you think that they are not holding his feet to the fire on this because they do not consider him to be a viable threat to win?

    or is it because what he has provided on his budget plans is so complex and thorough that they have not yet noticed that key pieces are missing?

    1. Joe Loveland says:

      Horner is getting a lot of coverage overall, so I don’t think he is being ignored because of perceived viability.

      A minority of reporters maybe can’t grasp Horner’s complexity. They just assume that because Horner’s plan is long and detailed, and because Horner seems so reasonable in his tone, that further analysis isn’t necessary.

      Other reporters probably understand the problem of the “grocery list but no detailed recipe” approach Horner is taking, but believe that their readers/viewers will be bored if they probe the complexity.

      I don’t really understand that. “Horner Only Candidate To Dodge Budget Accountability” is not a particularly complex concept. The details of the story are compex, but the overall headline is pretty straightforward.

  2. Mike Kennedy says:

    To be honest, I don’t even care anymore. Budget plans that come from both sides at both the national and state levels are pure fictional fantasy.

    Raising marginal rates on high income earners will do very little to bring in more revenue. In fact, it might even bring in less. Until the tax code, with its myriad of exemptions, deductions and special favors, is reformed, raising taxes won’t do jack diddly squat.

    Real tax reform, along with meaningful spending cuts is what it’s going to take to start back on the road to repair.

    Unfortunately, neither party has the balls to say no to its special interest groups and do what’s right for the country (and state).

  3. Mike Kennedy says:

    Ha Ha. Good one, pointing me to your article.

    Thanks, but I already digested it.

    I’m not suspending critical judgement. In fact, I am critical of all the plans. I simply stated I don’t care anymore about media evaluation. I’ve made up my mind about the vote I will cast.

    I’m not convinced his plan is the right one, but it’s the best of the three, in my evaluation.

    That being said, I am in no way retreating from my last statement. The major parties won’t depart from their respective hymn books.

    That’s why there is a mood of discontent hanging over the country. Americans are pissed and unhappy. It’s poppycock (I love that word) to insinuate that there must be a pony in all the horseshit.

    I love how people condemn others for bitching about the process and then bitch more when people start something like the Tea Party.

    How dare you go against convention and start something new? You simply have to educate yourself better about what is out there. How utterly idiotic.

      1. Mike Kennedy says:

        Well, being stupid is a matter of opinion. I think the TP might be simplistic in its views. However, that wouldn’t be unique to this group.

        The people who have problems with the Tea Party, it seems to me, all fall into the same camp. They don’t agree politically.

        The charges of racism, jingoism and everything else is just an attempt to discredit.

      2. Joe Loveland says:

        The data make me wonder. This from Newsweek:

        A new survey by the University of Washington Institute for the Study of Ethnicity, Race & Sexuality offers fresh insight into the racial attitudes of Tea Party sympathizers. “The data suggests that people who are Tea Party supporters have a higher probability”—25 percent, to be exact—”of being racially resentful than those who are not Tea Party supporters,” says Christopher Parker, who directed the study. “The Tea Party is not just about politics and size of government. The data suggests it may also be about race.”

        Surveyers asked respondents in California and a half dozen battleground states (like Michigan and Ohio) a series of questions that political scientists typically use to measure racial hostility. On each one, Tea Party backers expressed more resentment than the rest of the population, even when controlling for partisanship and ideology. When read the statement that “if blacks would only try harder, they could be just as well off as whites,” 73 percent of the movement’s supporters agreed, while only 33 percent of people who disapproved of the Tea Party agreed. Asked if blacks should work their way up “without special favors,” as the Irish, Italians, and other groups did, 88 percent of supporters agreed, compared to 56 percent of opponents. The study revealed that Tea Party enthusiasts were also more likely to have negative opinions of Latinos and immigrants.

        These results are bolstered by a recent New York Times/CBS News surveyfinding that white Tea Party supporters were more likely to believe that “the Obama administration favors blacks over whites” and that “too much has been made of the problems facing black people.”

  4. Joe Loveland says:

    Yesterday, the liberal group Take Action Minnesota looked at the ink blot and this is what they see:

    Tom Horner is a PR professional. He has done a good job of trying to position himself as a common sense moderate with no personal political agenda. It’s what he does for a living, and he’s pretty good at it. Horner’s agenda, though, is to stand up for the kind of mega-corporations that have brought our country to the brink of economic collapse these last few years. … Tom Horner’s corporate clients have their own interest at heart, and they’re often in stark contrasts to the values and interests of working people. The reality is that Tom Horner’s economic policies are cut from the same cloth as Tim Pawlenty and Tom Emmer. He believes corporations and big businesses are the primary vehicles for solving the problems that we’re experiencing.

    1. Mike Kennedy says:

      Well, well. So it’s the big corporations that got us into this mess and government with its politically connected frauds called Fannie and Freddie did nothing? The Federal Reserve, which flooded the economy with dollars wasn’t at fault? Government policy that everyone should own a house (no matter his or her financial situation) wasn’t at fault?

      Wow. How utterly convenient to lay all the blame on “Corporate America.” How trite and predictable.

      Take Action MInnesota is a leftie shill for the Democratic party, nothing more. Yep, Horner and Emmer suck, but oh, that Dayton, now here is a winner.

      I feel like the security guard in the Fed Ex commercial.

      “I’m yawning. I’m yawning some more……now.ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ”

  5. Joe Loveland says:

    Interesting analysis from Minnesota 20-20 of the Horner budget:

    The cornerstone of Independence Party gubernatorial candidate Tom Horner’s budget proposal is his plan to expand the state sales tax base and reduce the sales tax rate. In a recent analysis, Minnesota 2020 calculated that even if Horner expanded the sales tax base to include all exempt items listed in the 2010 Minnesota Tax Expenditure Budget excluding the things he said he would not tax (e.g., business services, food, and medicine), he would come about $120 million short of the amount he needs to balance the state budget.

    On October 11, Minnesota Public Radio reported that Horner has now “ruled out” expanding the sales tax base to include gasoline. By exempting gasoline from his sales tax base expansion, Minnesota 2020 calculates that the shortfall in the Horner budget–in terms of the amount he needs to generate from the sales tax to balance the state budget–will swell to approximately $1.2 billion.

    I feel Horner’s pain. This is tough work. But it’s just as legitimate for the news media to press Horner about this huge budget hole as it was when they rightfully were hounding Emmer and Dayton.

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