7 thoughts on “Frank Rich, Michael Hastings, Heirs to I.F. Stone

  1. Mike Kennedy says:

    You seem to think the surge failed in Iraq. Do you know something the rest of us don’t? You might have watched Meet the Press today, where a former officer, a general, an author and a Washington Post author and reporter all disagree with you on Afghanistan — and all have either served or been embedded there.

    It is conventional wisdom on the left and in some quarters on the right that Vietnam couldn’t be won. Now it is conventional wisdom on Afghanistan.

    Yes, they all agreed it will be long and tough with a lot more sacrifice but they also agreed that the cost of leaving will be devastating to the Afghan people and to Pakistan and that the Taliban and terrorists they support who attacked us will be right back in there.

    I hate war, but we are in a tough position on this and packing up and moving out is a feel good, short term solution.

    1. Denis Lang says:

      Yes, caught that fascinating conversation on MTP. A very grim portrait of any hopeful outcome–an outcome that still lacks definition and will cost untold lives and resources with any withdrawal likely determined by prevailing conditions, not an arbitrary date.

  2. john sherman says:

    Bruce, if you haven’t already, you might want to read Glenn Greenwald’s long smack down of Jeffrey Goldberg in salon. It deals with many of the issues you’ve been discussing, and as usual with Greenwald, he lays out the factual bases for his claims in some detail.

    1. Dennis Lang says:

      Powerful article by Greenwald. Thanks for the reference. As a little kid, an uncle, an avid admirer of IF Stone bought me a subscription to the IF Stone Weekly. I thought Stone a maverick in the most romantic sense, representing everything worth aspiring toward in investigative, illuminating, opionated journalism. But wasn’t Stone’s journalistic integrity later impugned?

      1. john sherman says:

        Depends on who you listen to. He’s been accused of being a Soviet agent, but that seems to be overstating the case. My impression is that soviet agents were pumping him for his take on American politics and he was pumping them. Reciprocal schmoozing seems to be an important part of reporting, whether Stone went beyond that I don’t know.

        I think his claim that South Korea started the Korean Was is shameful, and he had a distasteful tolerance for left totalitarianism. On the other hand, he was the guy who when the administration or a congressional committee dumped a 2000 pp. report on a summer Friday afternoon in hopes the press would be at the beach, Stone read and found out what they were trying hide; he was hard working, smart and fearless, and the very antithesis of herd journalism. And when he retired, he learned classical Greek, so he could read Plato in the original.

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