14 thoughts on “Horner live Q&A follow-up

    1. Dennis Lang says:

      Just an observation. As an ocassional Crowd attendee since I think early 2008, there’s been plenty of provocative, stimulating conversation and conjecture here along the way. If this was an experiment you all surpassed yourself! Kind of breath taking. Great questions and, knowing very little about Mr. Horner, found his responses invariably thoughtful and knowledgeable, while likely achieving record speed as a typist.

  1. Joe Loveland says:

    Just so folks know, the three leading DFLers — Anderson-Kelliher, Dayton and Entenza — and the leading Republican — Emmer — have been invited to a similar session. Not sure how many takers we’ll get, but I wanted you all to know that the effort is being made.

  2. Keep up the good work, all. I followed the whole thing and found it compelling.

    From a strategy standpoint, this was bold but low risk for Horner — because he has confidence in what he has to say. He found a site read by influential, connected folks and put himself out there to listen and talk. I was impressed.

    Let’s face it — one of the reasons Ventura won was that one of the two-party candidates looked hopeless and inarticulate and the other like a way-too-typical overly ambitious politician. We may well find ourselves in the same position this year…

  3. Gloria O'Connell says:

    Tom seems so thoughtful and reasonable in his approach to government, and the questions were also very good. Looking forward to more sessions with the candidates.

  4. Joe Loveland says:

    As I’ve said, Republicans are desperate to frame Horner as liberal and DFLers are desperate to frame him as conservatives. Picking needles out of the haystack of Mr. Horner’s prolific typing, both sides got fodder in this exchange…

    Horner statements Republicans may seize on…

    • broaden the (sales tax) base to cover the types of things other states tax
    • Increase the tobacco tax
    • Taxes on consumption are too low.

    • Taxes on tobacco are too low.
    • In general tone and demeanor, I prefer to compare myself to my former boss, Dave Durenberger. I think Dave had two communications assets that are vital – first, he always was willing to reach across the aisle and work with the other party
    • the firm worked for Northstar Corridor, Heading Home MN, Project 515 and others, all of which have been publicly disclosed.
    • I think gays and lesbians should be equal members in all aspects of our society.
    • I’ve been working to eliminate the statutory discrimination against same-sex partners.
    • The state should lead in promoting responsible sex education, accessible and affordable health care for women (including access to contraception)
    • it’s not whether we should be spending more or less
    • I would opt into the Medicaid option.
    • Providing broader (health care) coverage for MN is key.
    • we also need to keep MN a state in which people like Sam want to live — a healthy environment, protection of our land and water heritage, investments in recretation, etc.
    • I do worry that the separation of church and state is eroding for political gain.
    • Government should assure a healthy environment and protection of our natural assets.

    Horner statements DFLers may seize on…

    • I don’t support the kind of “tax the rich” schemes coming from some candidates
    • unions proposing solutions that will harm Minnesota’s ability to compete or that seek to impose rigid staffing rules or absolute guarantees of job security stifle innovation and business expansion
    • i would reduce corporate income tax,
    • I differ with those labor organizations that…support single-payer health care systems
    • We need to reduce taxes on job creation (corporate income tax, for example) and encourage more investment capital (reduce capital gains, provide incentives for small business by exempting some flow-through, encourage risk capital, etc.)
    • I am not working against the nurses. I am working to make sure the community understands how the labor issues affect what is happening at hospitals.
    • I do think Education MN needs to broaden its agenda beyond job security, and start working with those who are invested in true education reform to produce better outcomes.
    • Start now to move away from government subsidies and toward personal repsonsibility.
    • we need to reduce people’s dependence on government-provided care for older adults.
    • As a rule, government is a better guarantor of rights than a provider of services.

    This is why Texas politician Jim Hightower said of moderates: “Middle of the road? The only thing you find in the middle of the road are yellow lines and dead armadillos.”

  5. Newt says:

    Horner has a huge problem, one that plagues all mushy middle-of-the-roaders: He has no definable principles. And the one or two that I can discern skew left.

    We already have an ample supply of politicians like that. He can’t win playing the middle or the left in this climate. He’s done.

    1. Joe Loveland says:

      Let me ask you this, Newt. When you look at surveys of voters, do you see ideological purity?

      I don’t. I see lots of “don’t raise my taxes, and, by the way, give me more services.” I hear “aggressively regulate business (when there is a crisis)” and “cut red tape and bureaucracy (when there isn’t a crisis).” If the majority of voters aren’t ideologically pure, why are you so convinced a gubernatorial candidate “can’t win playing the middle?”

      1. Newt says:

        Joe – the majority of the electorate is looking for someone to hold the DFL legislature in check.

        They know it would be a run-away spendapalooza without an adult in the governor’s office to say no.

  6. I find it pretty disappointing that Horner would just dismiss the evidence against charter schools and school choice – with his comment “that’s not the history of charters.” Authoritarian much? I freely admit that I would never support or vote for a Republican like Horner, but he could at least admit that he supports school choice and charters despite their failures – at least that would be honest. But to claim they are not failures – that is an unsupportable and false statement.

  7. Joe Loveland says:

    I’ll be very surprised if the Republicans don’t go after Horner for proposing to “raise the sales tax on middle class Minnesota families during the worst recession in decades.” That seems like their best bet for limiting his right-center growth potential.

    The Democrats may go after Horner for “proposing more Bush/Pawlenty-style tax giveaways to giant corporations while blocking our nurses’ efforts to reform health care.” Health care and economic populism seems like the Dems best bet for limiting Horner’s left-center growth potential.

    Whether Horner gets 9% or 39% of the vote, he will impact the major party candidates in a close race, depending on where he sells the best. When it comes to the framing of Tom Horner, the stakes are very high.

  8. Mrs. Fay says:

    It has been fascinating reading this discussion as an outsider with no preconcieved notions about any MN Gubenatorial candidate. I find it interesting that the “left” commentors think the middle is too right and the “right” commentors think the middle is too far left. What does this mean for a center candidate?
    There is a very similar situation playing out in Maine…the media is painting the Dem candidate as way left and the Repub as waaaayy right, is this true or is it a too convenient invention to make the race a neat “right/center/left all pited against each other” storyline….time will tell.

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