11 thoughts on “Gloria Ellen Gaynor: “We Will Survive (Tim Pawlenty)”

  1. Newt says:

    Ellen – socialism is imploding worldwide. The candy jar is empty.

    Time to try something different – like spending only what comes in.

  2. Ellen Mrja says:

    Hi, Newt. We’re not necessarily in disagreement..but I surely see things in a broader context.

    Let’s take Greece, since no one else will. It has junk status now not because of its rampant socialism but because of rampant capitalism. Call it as it is: greedy bastahds manipulated bond and equity prices in ways that may indeed turn out to be illegal, just as they did in the U.S.

    I agree: We are all going to have to get used to spending only what comes in. It’s not going to be easy.

    1. Well, let’s not be too quick to pin this situation on greece-ball capitalists. The greedy bastards aren’t the bond and equity manipulators — at least not exclusively. There’s also an army of everyday Greek tax cheats to contend with: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=125125500

      Capitalism, of course, is not the same as “no enforcement of anything whatsoever,” and this country needs some enforcers in the tax-collection department.

    2. PM says:

      Good point about greece–a huge part of the problem in Greece can and should be attributed to poor governance. Not only do greek citizens regularly hide income from government (the black market economy is huge), but the government itself fudged the numbers, making the deficit look much smaller than it was. When a new government was elected, they decided to come forward with the real numbers, and so the crisis began….

      Good governance/government is essential. It needs to be honest, strong, well funded, or it can not do its job.

  3. Newt says:

    In capitalism there are no bailouts.

    A market economy allows failures.

    Losers were prevented from failing.

    Government needs to allow failures.

  4. Ellen Mrja says:

    The link was interesting, Mike. Here’s just one excerpt I wanted to shout out: “The government estimates that the underground, untaxed economy in Greece is nearly one-third of gross domestic product, or some 113 billion Euros. That means billions in uncollected taxes.”

    One-third of GDP.

    Newt: Of course as we practice it, there are many bailouts in capitalism. Not for you and not for me and not for Mom and Pop. But there are bailouts for automakers, banks, securities, farms, bad mortgages, etc. etc. We do not have a free market economy. We allow many failures..but they are of people, not corporations.

  5. Ellen Mrja says:

    PM: I wholeheartedly agree that good governance is essential. But where do you see it? Surely not from Tim Pawlenty, for example. Sure he “pulled off” a budget compromise without raising taxes, as we will all be hearing now ad naseum, but at the expense of holding back $2 billion in K-12 funding. Why the heck not? Kids don’t vote.

    Want to know how I’d close that K-12 loophole? I said it once and I’ll say it again. I’d start out in the fall with my full calendar and day’s lessons, fully equipped. 100%. You know, how we run our sports teams. Kids would have the money to take special ed classes or art or music. They’d also be fed a decent lunch and have recess.

    But then, when the money runs out in, oh..let’s say February..I’d close down all the damn schools and send the little darlings home to their parents.

    How long would the public, therefore the cowardly legislators, therefore the poseur governor, last before they’d embrace K-12? Not even two weeks.

    That’s what we need. Some guts.

      1. Ellen Mrja says:

        I guess I am starting to sound – well, radical, Mike. Do you remember the book “Profiles in Courage”? {N.B. Yes. I know. Someone will rush in to tell me JFK did not write that book; that his old man paid to have a ghostwriter. I don’t believe it.} That’s what we need. Some leaders with courage.

        Lots of celebrating tonight with these “upsets” in the Super Tuesday run-offs. But will we find any true leaders among these new people? And would WE even recognize a true leader anymore if we saw one?!

        Cf. our Founding Fathers. They must roil.

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