24 thoughts on “In Praise of “Irascible” and Even “Nasty”.

      1. PM says:

        Fair enough. I’ll be waiting for it…..

        (do you think that it might be possible to maneuvre them into defending the actions of financial institutions as they oppose financial industry reform? that would be a neat trick…)

  1. Frogman of Grant says:

    So, in short, anyone of any political persuasion not totally down with Obama’s so-called healthcare “reform”–a glacial phase-in of a handful of modest adjustments to a hopelessly ineffective system that needs wholesale replacing–is either a liar or an impotent, short-sighted purist. Got it…and oh, yeah…you’ve got a little Kool Aid on your lip. Whatever. You may stand over there with the insurance companies, who couldn’t be happier with this outcome.

    I’m no purist, but I can count. Now that we’re doing the whole deem-and-pass, reconciliation, three-card Monte, hidden-ball-trick Sheezam there are at least 51 votes in the Senate for a public option. So where is it? Call me a short-sighted purist, but I think Obama wants a “win” more than he wants true reform.

    I think Howard Dean has it about right. He’s grudgingly supporting the bill…but insists that it’s an insult to our intelligence to call it reform.

    1. Whassamatta? Bad latte in Grant this morning? I’m not disagreeing with anyone who says this thing is a shadow/sliver of what this country really needs. But my point all along is that liberals were delusional in thinking they were going to pull those kind of pirate-like profits away from the insurance industry without a murderous fight. I mean, good lord, they were originally counting Joe Lieberman as a filibuster-breaker! Moreover, as I’ve said several times, if you can take the long view the most important thing is to get the locomotive on the tracks and moving. Once the nauseating hysteria dies down and even the Tea Baggers realize they’re better off with this thing than entirely at the mercies of UnitedHealth, etc. we can phase in the other stuff.

      1. Frogman of Grant says:

        The Frogman’s point was only that the small gains made by this legislation ought not be thought of as healthcare “reform.” The core system remains in place and its trajectory toward failure and bankruptcy isn’t much changed.

        Let’s recall that only months ago, there was agreement among progressives that a bill without a public option would be a sham. I think that’s pretty much what we got.

      2. the word “irascible” may have been invented to describe Frogman. A single payer system is obviously the goal. I don’t think Obama would deny that. But there was no way — no way — that was going to happen given the hysteria that was ginned up over this modest slice of reform. It’ll be fascinating to see how much money the industry dumped into lobbyists and “grassroots” movements like Dick Armey’s … and FoxNews’ advertisers to deliver the shots they did here.

  2. Mike Kennedy says:

    Another liberal Lambo classic.

    Can’t say I ever agree with much of the over heated and over baked lefty liberal ideology that is served up by Brian, but the man can turn a phrase. I must admit, I do look forward to being entertained by the rants.

    Keep it comin

    1. Mike: You’re calling ME “over-heated”? You seem like a smart enough guy. Where was the embarrassed indignation at conservative leadership egging on and hiding behind the Tea Party idiots? 14 months is a long time for a reasonable debate over valid differences that we never really had.

      1. Mike Kennedy says:

        Brian:

        I don’t care for tea — as it comes in a cup or as a political movement. I think most of the Tea Party doesn’t have a coherent stand on much of anything.

        Furthermore, I don’t think the Tea Party represents the conservative movement, though I suspect conservatives would love to have them. If anything, I think they will attempt to start a third party and they will fail.

      2. But my point is that even if “respectable conservatives” like yourself think they are a bunch of wildly ill-informed dingbats, YOUR PARTY is rubbing feet under the blankets with them and, even worse, seems incapable/unwilling to distance itself from their paranoid excesses, preferring instead to exploit them for what is most likely pyrrhic gain.

      3. Mike Kennedy says:

        Brian:

        First, it’s not my party. I am seriously conflicted about voting for people like McCain and Palin, every bit as much as Obama and VP Foot in Mouth — I mean Biden. And people thought Bush was dippy? Between Biden blessing the soul of someone who is still alive and Pelosi stuttering, stammering and yammering on the House Floor, they both make Bush look like Winston Churchill.

        I’ve voted for Dems and Repubs but don’t know about voting for someone who can’t win like an independent.

        Second, I think we’ve all rubbed feet under the blankets with an unworthy party, as it were. Hopefully it didn’t lead to anything else.

  3. Jim Camery says:

    A right, proper spittle-laced rant.

    I’m a little proud that Franken hasn’t been co-opted (at least yet) by the mantra that the game is to always win the next election, and that the real goal is to build a better society.

    1. Franken could become a pretty effective Senator. He better, after the back-to-back disasters of Rod Grams and Mark Dayton. (Klobuchar’s seat, I know.)

  4. john sherman says:

    What amazes me is that the Republicans, particularly in the senate, are able to get complete uniformity on no other agenda than trying to screw up Obama while the Democrats can’t hold together in a good cause.

    Years ago there was a Canadian Nihilist Party whose slogan was “Vote No, Vote Nihilist.” They appear to have closed up shop in Canada and moved to the U.S. to take over the Republican leadership.

    1. A commenter this morning over on TPM, referring to Boehner’s “Hell,no!” moment last night, suggests the GOP has upgraded. From “The Party of no” to “The Party of ‘Hell, No!’ ”

      I hope Obama and Emanuel have learned from the health care experience to create strategies that expose individual legislators to regular, public stands for or against … financial reform (in all of its “clamp down on” or “kiss up to the bastards” details).

  5. Dave says:

    Those damn Republicans! How dare they challenge a 2000+ page bill? The horror! Sorry, just getting caught up in your moment.

    The bill is a joke (yes I have already read quite a bit of it). Our healthcare system will soon rival the IRS in rules and red tape. It can now join the Ponzi schemes we call Social Security and Medicare. But I guess the left feels that any reform is better than no reform. Your appointed one said as much Wednesday.

    The Dems had to go all in, they had no choice politically. I’ll give Obama credit, the guy has one hell of a credit limit on his Visa card.

  6. You of course toted a placard up and down the Mall in the face of W’s tax cuts, the two un-budgeted wars, that prescription drug bill and … and … oh, never mind.

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